Monday, March 2, 2009

I do. (Or do I?)


Here's a statement. Think about whether you believe it or not.


a) The Bible is from God. The Bible is the story of Israel (Old Testament) and Jesus and the early Christians (New Testament). Although written two thousand years ago, the things that the Bible teach still apply to Christians today.



Do you believe that?



What about this statement:


b) The Bible is an interesting book. It's got lots of great ideas in it (good values and morals), but that's about it. The rest of it are just historical stories that may or may not be true.


What about this statement:


c) The Bible is a load of nonsense.



Ok, so now you've made your decision I want you to read the following verses from Ephesians.


Ephesians 5:22


'Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Saviour. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husands in everything.


Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her to make her holy... and to present her to himself as a radiant church... In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself.'



Ok. Now if you believe in STATEMENT #B or #C, you've got two choices. Either you can pick and choose which part of Ephesians you like and which part you don't like and live accordingly. Or you can change to STATEMENT #A.


If you believe in STATEMENT #A... well... here's the challenge.


Have a look at the verses from Ephesians. Do they sound like the recipe for a controlling husband and a backstabbing wife? Do they sound like the recipe for a good marriage or a bad marriage?


Well, let's have a look.


The author (PAUL) uses the example of CHRIST (husband) and CHURCH (wife). The wife must submit to the husband as the church submits to Christ. This is - lovingly and respectfully; understanding that the husband has a very important job.


The husband must love the wife as CHRIST loves the CHURCH. That is in the following two ways:


a) Must be willing to lay down his life - now this doesn't necessarily mean dying. It's not going to help my wife if I lay down on the road and get killed, while she crosses the road... it just means committing his whole life to her.


b) Must be willing to present her to God as pure and radiant. What do you think this means?


The verses from Ephesians actually look like a nice, godly way for a marriage relationship to work.


It's not saying the wife must become a doormat, and the husband a wife-beater. NO WAY!


Often marriages break down because the wife wants to take control... and the husband just lets her.


Ok. So there are LOTS OF THINGS to think about.


It's time for you to BLOG your socks off.


Do you think this relationship advice still applies?


Do you think that the fact that the divorce rate in Australia (google it - not sure what it is) PROVES that when you move outside of the Bible's guidelines, marriages collapse easier?


Do you think this is all a load of nonsense...?


GO FOR IT.


(Sorry this one is so long.)

47 comments:

  1. Hey kiddies


    ummmmm weeeelllll I don't think I (or any of us) will be getting married any time soon. so yeah. not really applicable.

    HOWEVER (yes yes)

    I think relationships will only work if based on love, trust and commitment. I know I'm a Christian and I'm meant to just follow everything the bible says like a little sheep, but I don't think all that stuff really applies anymore. As long as the two people love, support, trust and care for each other, it normally works out. I have a lot of friends whose parents are either non Christian or one is and the other isn't, and they have been happy together for longer than my parents have, who are both Christian. It's a matter of sticking with it, and being willing to sacrifice what you may have to.

    yep...that's all.
    -Beck.

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  2. i agree with beck, because we are christians and that the two people should be able to put their lives into each others hands, without them turning around to find a backstabbing partner

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  3. Bon Jour.
    I really dont like the idea of me 'submitting' myself to my husband.
    now, another way of saying marriage is 'wedlock'. thats wedLOCK. is it just me, or does that bring to mind being locked up in chains with no way of escape. that doesnt sound particulaly enjoyable.

    in the words of the beatles, "chains, my baby's got me locked up in chains, and they arent the kind that you can see... woah these chains of love got a hold on me."
    Hmm.

    I think a marriage is only a sheet of paper, but a RELATIONSHIP is more emotional.
    Quite a confusing comment, No?
    :)

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  4. HANNAH
    dude
    I agreeeee with you.

    waow :P
    -Beck.

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  5. Well i think that by following these rules the marriage/relationship might and probably will work. Even though the bible says that the husband is the head of his wife and that the wife must submit to him, it also says that they must love each other as Christ loved the church. So they have to look out for each other respect and love each other, while still doing what the other says/ requests. so yeah some of my thoughts...
    CHRISSY

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  6. it makes sense logically.

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  7. yeah i agree with hannah and beck!

    CHRISSY

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  8. how many couples do you know that have had a long-lasting relationship, are mostly happy, and havent cheated or any other ungodly things???

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  9. I was married when I was 19 - only 4 years older than most of you and three years older than some. Therefore, marriage and relationships is, I think, relevant!

    Regarding 'marriage is only a sheet of paper'; there is a saying 'A wedding lasts a day, a marriage lasts a lifetime.'

    Here's a question. Would you be willing to enter into a relationship with a person who admits to not actually wanting to stay with you... Of course you wouldn't!

    I wonder whether you would be willing to enter into a relationship with someone if you knew that they were planning to at some stage leave you so they could be with someone else... I wouldn't!

    I love nothing more, than knowing that my wife will never ever leave me... I can't imagine living with someone who at any stage could pack up their stuff and leave. That's not commitment!

    And ... Hannah, now we're quoting the Beetles!! Oh man...

    Mansfield

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  10. does anyone agree that the main guy in amazing grace is incredibly hot?





    ignore my subject change.....
    :)

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  11. I agree with Beck, as long as you love and respect your husband/wife and are willing to sacrifice what you may need to, then it should be fine.

    But I have a question about actually getting married.. do you really need to marry? I know this couple and they have been together for nearly 20-25 years, but they are not married. Do you really need to get married? What's the point of getting married?

    Just my thoughts..
    Heidi :)

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  12. Interesting question Shane...

    If you think back to my original question. If you think that the 'stuff' in Ephesians is only 'kinda' true. Does that mean that there is other stuff in the Bible that is only 'kinda true'?

    Additionally... if you are not a Christian, then you are looking at relationships through your own eyes. If you are a Christian, then surely, that means we must be seeking to find out how God wants us to live (and that includes how we should be living as a married couple!).

    What do you think?

    Mansfield

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  13. what heidi said, is exactly like my parents, though they are planning to get married soon...

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  14. mr Mansfield you spelt the beatles wrong!

    hehe yeah i agree with hannah :P

    chrissy :]

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  15. I agree with Heidi on that one.
    I think you can be in a long, loving, lasting relationship with someone without actually marrying them. Most people know this about me, I think marrige is a pointless commitment that no man can handle (sorry to sound sexist, but where I come from it's true as the bible mate)

    yeah, I don't think you need to marry someone in order for them to not leave you.

    PLUS sorry to kind of change the subject but most people these days only marry to either have kids, get money, or feel better than their siblings etc.

    and yes Hannah, he's pretty alright aye :P


    -Beck.

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  16. i will never get married cuz im goin to the army :)

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  17. i agree with beck and heidi. these are all really good points:P

    Alannah

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  18. josh, what about when you leave the army?

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  19. i will be like 50 and i think its easier when ur not married or in a relatshionship..... i cant spell :)

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  20. there is a 33% chance of divorce in these days.
    why put yourself through the complete agony of knowing the person you once loved is either in love with someone else/no longe rin love with you.

    get this, there is a FIFTY percent chance of male cheating in marriages.
    that is ridiculous.

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  21. hey josh

    if ur gonna be on the army til ur 50, thats a long time and ur gonna be fed up with it!!!

    thats what i think anyways

    Alannah

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  22. Interestingly enough, if you look at the ABS (Australian B or Statistics), you'll see that divorce rates are dropping.

    This is obviously because the marriage rate has been dropping.

    So... Australians are getting married less... and living together more.

    There's not doubt you can live together happily for 25 years without getting married. But girls... if you manage to catch a great guy, surely you would want to 'lock him in'. That way when things get tough, you work through them, rather than just split up.

    I mean... Hannah... if you could manage to start dating the guy from Amazing Grace... surely you'd want to lock him in with a 'marriage certificate' so that you can have him for the rest of your life. If you don't... and he leaves you when you're forty, how on earth are you going to cope :)


    Mansfield

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  23. Maybe a wife could teach you how to spell Josh.

    Mansfield

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  24. yeaaah sounds about right with the male cheating thing to me. I don't know I think it's just way easier to screw up a marrige compared to a regular relationship. and in marrige you can't just like, sort it out or dump the person, you have to stick with them even if your life is like a total crap hole because of them. yeah. guys make girls miserable (sorry to be sexist again) its just plain and simple.

    -Beck.

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  25. just because i have a marriage certificate doesnt mean i can 'lock a man in'. the man would have to love me and want to spend the rest of his life with me in order for him to stay.
    i dont know. ive seen too many marriages fail to believe that we can be in a happy, successful relationship for ever and ever amen.

    im just rambling now.
    sorry.

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  26. well i think that if you do truly love each other then you shouldn't have a problem about getting married!

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  27. Agreeing with beck....
    :P

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  28. Hang on!

    If you're married - you work through things because it's hard work divorcing.

    If you're living together - you give up way easier, because it's so easy to pack up your stuff and go and live with ya parents.

    So those comments are illogical!

    Beck... nice guys do exist... maybe you've been hanging around this class too long. :)

    (I wasn't going to publish that, but I'm pretty sure the boys have given up trying to follow this semi-intelligent conversation.)

    Mansfield

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  29. haha I'm just gonna stop blogging now cause I completely disagree with the whole concept of marrige anyway

    haha
    beckoverandout

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  30. hannah use a love potion its worth a try (snape's mother tried remember)

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  31. i agree with chrissy. but maybe some men cant cope with the fact of commitment !!!!!!!

    Alannah

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  32. hehe yeah shane, or you could use veritaserum to see if they really do love you :P

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  33. I HATE COMMITTMENT PHOBES.

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  34. but men should cope with commitment if they love her! it shouldn't be a commitment, it should be love

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  35. I agree with Mansfield.. that once your married you have to work harder to stay together... but I think that people should just be really sure that they want to stay with that perticular person for the rest of their lives. I don't think that someone should marry for money or fame etc. but for love etc. but.. my dad has been married 3 times, he thought he loved and trusted all of those women..

    Just some more of my thoughts...
    Heidi :)

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  36. yes thats sooooooooooo true hey chrissy

    Alannah

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  37. I love how all the girls are talking about how they're not willing to commit to marriage... and then blaming boys for breakup problems! :)

    Ah I love irony...

    Mansfield

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  38. the amazing grace man is in a wet white teeshirt!

    *dies*

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  39. i agree with the first option, because i cant see my mum being the head of the family, whenever my dads at work we kinda play up for our mum but when our dad comes home we never because my dad can punish and smack harder. its not good but its true. this doesnt mean that the wife is useless in the family, because the wife makes most of the decisions. i heard my mate say once that the husbands the head and the wifes the neck and she can change his descisions

    Hes hot aye Hannah
    jks

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  40. gettting married produces somthing that can't really be explained. But then if you have kids, and if you care about those kids then you'll want to have somone you can trust. right???

    and it isn't nice growning up with parents that may split up.
    josh

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  41. ROFL!!!
    personnally, i think that while not all
    marriages last forever,i believe, a marriage between a christian couple is more likely to
    succeede, as both are trying to live together
    forever, as god intended. I mean come on, if god intended us to get divorced, then he wouldn't have created laywers and alimonies.
    But that aside, i think that most people who
    get married, honestly never want to break up,
    lots think of their kids, if their parents had
    broken up. How ever, a divorce, usually leaves a very broken set of people, one who wants to be with the other, and one who cant stand the other.
    and as swithchfoot say in their song "easier than love":-"Everyone's a lost romantic,
    Since our love became a kissing show
    Everyone's a Casanova,
    Come and pass me the mistletoe

    Everyone's been scared to death of dying here alone

    She is easier than love
    Is easier than life
    It's easier to fake and smile and bribe"

    since were all quoting stuff now

    Paddy
    Long live Belgarion!!!!!!!

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    Paddy
    Long live Belgarion!!!!!+

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